GoldwingDocs member dclinton has had problems with destroyed clutches on two different DCT Tour Goldwings: a 2020 and a 2022. Honda refuses to fix them under warranty. And why? Because of the way he rides! Don’t get caught in the same trap!
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Same problem with my 2018 two years ago. It turned out to be the TCM (Transmission Control Module). 14,000 miles later, and everything is still good.
Mother Honda is a bugger with warranty, as in the gost shifting and head bearings.
I've been told by factory rep never never heard of gost shifting and just don't take your hands off the bars.
Honda's obsession with continued over-reliance of electronics and everything automatic, will be fundamentally the demise of their success as far as the Gold Wing is concerned. A behemoth going down the hwy. at 80 miles per hour for hours on end, has no business to be so electronic dependent (unless redundancy is used) to possibly cause some failure where you are unable to put the engine in neutral or pull the clutch to disengage. DCT is quite good for smaller bikes and urban warriors, not so good for a heavy tourer. IMHO
That seat looks amazing.y comfy.
I'll go with Honda on this one. Riding the brake while in slow speed is hard on a DCT clutches, the heat from constantly slipping will burn the clutches our. The double clutch transmission Honda uses is from F1 race car technology, not tractor pull.
That’s outrageous that riding slow is considered abuse. I’d take them to court. Pretty sure there is no way the could win.
Great video. I'm thinking about the purchase of a DCT Honda Trike maybe a 19 or 20 in the future. Every little bit of information helps. I can't ride a two wheeler any more as I have a bad knee and I like trikes. Have one now a Suzuki Burgman 650 with a old Trinity trike set on the back so a three wheel true trike that can rival with any Honda or Harley as far as keeping up. A great bike. My buddy told me to get a Sea to Sky Can Am but reading the info on that bike there is plenty of issues with electronics and junk parts all plastic and the bike is expensive to maintain far more expensive than a Honda DCT. Look forward to see more of your videos. Thanks
What I don't understand is if your fully in1st Gear then how can the clutch be slipping. Its not like the friction zone you can have with a standard transmission. 1000-1200 rpm is nothing on standard transmission bikes so how would it be different on a DCT which is fully engaged. The only thing that should wear prematurely is the brakes. I guess if you were at 3-4000+ rpm and held the brakes so the bike couldn't move that might do it. But at 1200 rpm I'm only worried about wearing the brakes.
I have 26000 miles and do a lot of slow speed training and so far no problems.
Which of the two clutches failed? The DCT has a clutch for odd and even gears, so which one failed or did both fail?
You probably shouldn't confuse people with wrong terminology. What you described is NOT trail braking. The rest of this video DOES make sense.
Think im going to sell my goldwing sadly
Typical factory bs.
That guy was a test subject. He learned a valuable lesson. Ride a motorcycle the way it was meant to be ridden.
I have almost 175,000 miles on 5 different DCT motorcycle and all generations. Never had this problem. That stated, I haven’t spent too much time practicing slow speed maneuvers. All my DCT bikes handle really well going slow, especially my 2028 GoldenWing, non tour. Thanks for posting. Very interesting.
I think this goes to prove even with all the super smart electronics we have, slick transmissions that give smooth effortless changes the best computer is still the human being on the bike (or in the car). The DCT can't hold it's hand up and say woah hang on a minute son, thats quite enough of that, it just carries on doing what it's programmed to do to failure.
for slow riding put it in maniual leave it in 1 gear
The moral of this story is don't buy a dct in anything. Ride a real motorcycle not a honda accord with an automatic transmission that looks like a motorcycle
Thanks for bringing that up. Im 74 and thinking about the gw trike .im thinking u wouldn't have that problem. Your thoughts please
I have a 2018 DCT, thanks for the info.
I had the some problem with honda Fireblade 2021 they said if I use launch control more than 3 times they do not cover it under warranty and if I change the setting with it not running it kills the battery
I used to own a DCT Goldwing and do a fair amount of slow-speed riding…but not much on the Goldwing.
I was concerned about a situation similar to this as I did not fully understand how the DCT slipped the clutch in slow-speed maneuvers like this. It was always a concern so I did just enough slow speed to develop the skill on the GW, but in general, if I wanted to practice slow speed I chose one of my other motorcycles with a traditional clutch.
Since I run MCrider and it is focussed on motorcycle training I sold the Goldwing, in part due to the limitations of the DCT for slow-speed riding but also because of concern over what it would do to the motorcycle.
Interesting video!
When I practice slow speed riding in the parking lot on my 2021 Gold Wing Standard, I always put the DCT in manual, and leave it in first gear. You don't want the bike shifting up in those situations anyway. That should take the clutch out of play.
Hello all, I currently ride a 2006 Suzuki Boulevard and plan to buy a 2023 DCT GW this spring. The local Harley Davidson dealer offers advanced riding skills classes (they provide the bikes). My only thought regarding the GW vs HD riding skills class is "Will the skills I learn on a bike with a clutch transfer over when I ride the Goldwing?" I think i have decent skills working a clutch + a throttle (of course, there is always room for improvement) and I saw one of Jerry Palladino's videos with a GW DCT and he did say low speed manuevers are tougher with the automatic clutch. Does anyone have any thoughts or comments on my dilemma? Despite this issue, I still want a GW DCT, but I also want to take more riding classes.
This is why I will keep the 2015 I have. I will upgrade when they get all the bugs worked out. I never buy a fresh new model. And to think all the people that this will happen to after the warranty expires. Good luck to them.
Thank you for the info, I have a 2018.